Has anyone ever used this gun for deer hunting? I've heard its kind of small but if not then what grain?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

I have one and I have hunted with it, a loooooong time ago. I would have to say for deer it is too small. As far as I know a 110gr bullet is all you can get. It is however a cool little rifle for plinking, and I guess you could hunt something like fox with it, at a limited range.
Hope this helps.

Your correct its just too wimpy for deer.

if i remember my history right, or atleast what i know about the round. it was designed not to kill but to only wound leaving the death toll lower i guess. it is fairly accurate but just not a killer. it might be good for varmints out to 150 yards max.

My ol'man has a AMT Automag III which is a semi-auto pistol that shoots a 30 carbine round. It is a cool pistol with one heck of a bark. It is very accurate for a pistol and has good penetration. He has shot several hogs with it and never had a problem. It isn't going to stop anything dead in their tracks, but that is not why he bought it. He wanted accuracy and penetration, which it has both. Longest shot he's made with it was about 100yds. Didn't think he hit the old pig, but went and checked it out and found it nearby, dead from a double lung shot. He was pretty shocked! I think as with any cartridge, shot placement is very important. I'd say if a 30 carbine is what you've got to work with and your a good shot with it, you will be fine. If you can't hit the broad side of a barn then find another weapon!

I have used my carbine to put meat(black-tail deer) in the freezer for four years and am very pleased with it. It is all about shot placement (up to 300 yards) with this light caliber, but that isn't hard to do if you aim before you squeeze the trigger.

With the .30 carbine, the meat waste is kept to a very minimum unlike 308, 30.06, 300 mag win, ect.., that leaves a much larger area of blood shot meat after going through bone then the back side of your game.

I don't know much about the WWII military reason of keeping the death toll down, but I don't think the soldiers would have used it if it only left wounded enemy shooting back. No argument intended, just my opinion.

All about shot placement at 300 yards?????????????? First of all, do you realize how little energy that a .30 carbine has at 300 yards??? The placement would have to be in a hole alrady made by a rifle capable of hitting at that distance with any energy left, say the .300 mag for instance. Second you must have one heck of a rest to be making accurate shot placement with this gun at 300 yards. The bullet drop alone at this distance is impossible to calculte without rangfinding, knowing wind etc.... Given the perfect range conditions you are NOT going to have accurate shot placement, period. I have killed many deer with a Win. .300 mag and it leaves .50 cent size holes on exit, when shot throught the vitals. I can't even find a ballistic chart for a .30 carbine that goes as far as 300 yards?????? At 200 yards it has 138 foot pounds of energy. To put that in perspective my .300 mag still has 2,618 foot pounds of energy at the same distance. These numbers are taken from the Speer balistic charts. .30 carbine for deer????????? Not only should you not use it, I would argue it is unethical to use such an underpowered rifle. I could kill a deer with a .22 pistol, but that doesn't mean I should.

As far as wounding vs. killing. You get killed, you get left. You get wounded, more men are tied up to take care of you. That is the reasoning behind wounding vs. killing a man in battle. You take three or four men out of the battle by wounding one. Kill one, take only one man away. This is what their reasoning was for the .30 carbine. That, and it was short and light.

Steve

There has Never been a military doctrine to wound men! The .30 carbine round will make Human, or deer size game dead with-in 50 yards. Please don't think a 5.56 won't drop a deer either, it is not the round I would use ( .30 carb included ) but it can. I also have found carcasses in the woods w/ 1/2 a hind shot off, 1 antler shot off and scull cracked. Both suffered because of bad shot placement!
Hello! Glad to be on the board! Most people use to much rifle! JP

Yes, wounding has long been considered a very good thing. I didn't make it up. North Veitnam learned and used this tactic very effectivly as did Japan, against American soldiers. It works especialy good on American solders, "never leave a man behind." "We all go home together." It dates back hundreds of years and it's philosophy can be found in a book just as old called The Art of War. It may not make front page news as a good idea because it sounds cruel to want to wound men. War has never been about being kind to our fellow man.

Steve

If a specific Military thought leaving wounded men on the field was to there advantage against the U.S., it is because we have the philosophy of no one left behind, they were bait! Not that it would use more men to care for them, but more targets of opportunity. We care for, and about our people, in our units. Not intended to flame, just a different perspective I guess. Sorry for the stray from subject. JP

They're targets BECAUSE they're caring for a wounded man. Wound those men too and more will come to care for them and so on and so on. Kill a man, we'll pick him up later.

Hey trophy.... Should have gave me a ring. I ran it up on my system. Her you go

Federal 30 Carbine. 110grn FMJ @ 1990 FPS 967FT/Lbs @ the muzzle

@ 300yrds 1039.6 FPS, 263.9 Ft/Lbs -66.88" Drop Time of Flight .65 seconds

Hey why did he choose a FMJ you ask, that isn't a hunting round and won't drop a deer, it will just maime it. Well its a military round and Uncle Sam doesn't issue anything besides FMJ's. A HP is No/No..the Genevia convention... something to do with it killing to well. You do the math on the rest, killing vrs maiming.

Crazy Johny OUT